"all this testifies that we are living in 'critical times'" - 2 tim.
3: 1-5 (dec. 15, 2003 wt pg.
they never get tired of repeating this deception, do they?.
Heathen
I don't think that revelations was written about rome but about future events
I can't see how Babylon the Great at Revelation 17:9,18 can be anything but Rome. "The seven heads are seven hills upon which the woman is sitting; And the woman that you saw is herself the great city which dominates and controls the rulers and the leaders of the earth." (Amplified bible)
The writers of books such as Daniel and Revelation thought they were living in the last days.
i've recently read who wrote the gospels, it mentioned on a side note from the gospels that daniel was probably written around 200 bce not during nebuchadnezzars reign.. in daniel chapter 9 he mentions reading the phophetic words of jeremiah about the 70 years of servitude.
jeremiah lived in a different land (judah) while daniel was in babylon.
how would daniel have been able to get jeremiahs scrolls seeing they had just been written and also the position daniel was in as chief of nebuchadnezzars magic practising priests would not have bode well for real jewish worshippers to think about making any saturday morning placements with him.. the book i read states that jeremiah, daniel and most of the other books seperate from the talmud were not canonized until around 200 bce.. any thoughts on this or have you done or read anything on this subject.
There's little doubt that the later chapters of Daniel i.e. 7 - 12 were written during the Maccabean wars. Why would a sixth century prophet go into such minute detail on events that took place in the second century BC. Chapter 11 is a very precise summary of the Syrian wars right up to the death of Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 164BC. It is likely that this chapter was written just before his death as the prophecy about where he died is wrong!
It is difficult to date earlier chapters but it is likely that they were adapted from other older stories. One such is the dream of Nebuchadnezzar in chapter 4 and his subsequent 7 'times' of madness. This story was originally about Nabonidus who did spend a number of years away from Babylon in Teima. The Prayer of Nabonidus found at Qumran gives the duration of Nabonidus' affliction as 7 years.
i've recently read who wrote the gospels, it mentioned on a side note from the gospels that daniel was probably written around 200 bce not during nebuchadnezzars reign.. in daniel chapter 9 he mentions reading the phophetic words of jeremiah about the 70 years of servitude.
jeremiah lived in a different land (judah) while daniel was in babylon.
how would daniel have been able to get jeremiahs scrolls seeing they had just been written and also the position daniel was in as chief of nebuchadnezzars magic practising priests would not have bode well for real jewish worshippers to think about making any saturday morning placements with him.. the book i read states that jeremiah, daniel and most of the other books seperate from the talmud were not canonized until around 200 bce.. any thoughts on this or have you done or read anything on this subject.
JCanon -
because of the conspiracy during the Persian Period to claim that Xerxes was Artaxerxes when,in fact, they were the same king,
The bible itself states that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were different people with different reigns:
Here are several translations of Ezra 4:5-7: (with some footnotes)
New Living Translation:
5 They bribed agents to work against them and to frustrate their aims. This went on during the entire reign of King Cyrus of Persia and lasted until King Darius of Persia took the throne.
6 Years later when Xerxes began his reign, the enemies of wrote him a letter of accusation against the people of and . 7 And even later, during the reign of King Artaxerxes of Persia, the enemies of Judah, led by Bishlam, Mithredath, and Tabeel, sent a letter to Artaxerxes
Good News Translation:
5 They also bribed Persian government officials to work against them. They kept on doing this throughout the reign of Emperor Cyrus and into the reign of Emperor Darius.
6 At the beginning of the reign of Emperor Xerxes, the enemies of the people living in and brought written charges against them. R13 7 Again in the reign of Emperor Artaxerxes of Persia, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and their associates wrote a letter to the emperor.
Cross Reference R13: 4.6 Es 1.1.
New English Translation:
4:5 They were hiring advisors to oppose them, so as to frustrate their plans, throughout the time of King Cyrus of Persia until the reign of King Darius of Persia.
4:6 At the beginning of the reign of Ahasuerus they filed an accusation against the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem. 4:7 And in the reign of Artaxerxes, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their colleagues wrote to King Artaxerxes of Persia.
[Reference to 4:6 - sn Ahasuerus, otherwise known as Xerxes I, ruled ca. 485-464 b.c. ]
New International Version (NIV):
5 They hired counselors to work against them and frustrate their plans during the entire reign of Cyrus king of Persia and down to the reign of Darius king of Persia.
6 At the beginning of the reign of Xerxes, [2] they lodged an accusation against the people of Judah and Jerusalem.
7 And in the days of Artaxerxes king of , Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel and the rest of his associates wrote a letter to Artaxerxes.
[2] 4:6 Hebrew Ahasuerus , a variant of Xerxes' Persian name
New American Standard Version:
5 and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.
6 Now in the reign of Ahasuerus, in the beginning of his reign, they wrote an accusation against the inhabitants of and . [see translator?s notes]
7 And in the days of Artaxerxes, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel and the rest of his colleagues wrote to Artaxerxes king of ;
Translator?s notes:
Or Xerxes; Heb Ahash-verosh
Achashverosh (31c); of for. or.; king of :--Ahasuerus(31).
Cross reference: AMPLIFIED Esther 1:1 IT WAS in the days of Ahasuerus [Xerxes], the Ahasuerus who reigned from to over 127 provinces.
i've recently read who wrote the gospels, it mentioned on a side note from the gospels that daniel was probably written around 200 bce not during nebuchadnezzars reign.. in daniel chapter 9 he mentions reading the phophetic words of jeremiah about the 70 years of servitude.
jeremiah lived in a different land (judah) while daniel was in babylon.
how would daniel have been able to get jeremiahs scrolls seeing they had just been written and also the position daniel was in as chief of nebuchadnezzars magic practising priests would not have bode well for real jewish worshippers to think about making any saturday morning placements with him.. the book i read states that jeremiah, daniel and most of the other books seperate from the talmud were not canonized until around 200 bce.. any thoughts on this or have you done or read anything on this subject.
Runningman
? In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasu-e'rus, by birth a Mede, who became king over the realm of the Chalde'ans? ? Daniel 9:1
I think this 'Darius the Mede' was different than the 'Darius the Persian' mentioned elsewhere in the bible. In my view 'Darius the Mede' was Astyages the last king of the Medes. Other Jewish writings show that the Ahasu-erus of Daniel 9:1 was also the Median king Cyaxares who captured Nineveh with Nebuchadnezzar (Tobit 14:15). His son Astyages was the last Median king before Cyrus the Persian (Bel 1:1).
Although Daniel's view that the Medes conquered Babylon is wrong, it helps with understanding the rest of the book. Daniel is following the traditional Persian line of powers, that is Assyria, Media, Persia then Greece. All the visions of beasts then become more obvious, and all point to Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the persecution of the Jews under his rule.
Daniel also includes other legends such as the seven year illness of Nabonidus, but assigns this story to the better known Nebuchadnezzar.
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World Champions!!!!
Beating the Aussies in Sydney as well, it doesn't get better than this.
so sad..........arrest warrants were just executed against him for multiple counts of child molestation.
as a mom i am deeply appalled, as an ex witness i am saddened at his lack of power over his own life and ability to move forward, beyond the scarring of an abusive upbringing.
I've just heard that American TV have shown footage of a secret room discovered in Jacko's house. The door to this room was at the back of a cupboard, and has a spiral staircase going up to a bedroom.
Has anyone seen this?
I can't believe anyone would let their kids stay there.
the russian army is a complete mess and they admit as much.. .
no king of the north?
no fufillment of prophecy, no armageddon.. how can they continue to preach "the end is near" ?
Good point Ozzie,
I'd forgotten that the WTS now tries not to offend governments and government agencies as was done in previous decades. I've found another quote on page 281 of the 'Daniel' book - 'Will the development of nuclear weapons by additional nations result in a new arms race and have a bearing on the identity of that king?'.
So how about the 'Axis of Evil' terrorist states including North Korea?? After all, the war on terror has replaced the cold-war. Whoever the WTS chooses though, I think it will have to be soon.
CF.
the russian army is a complete mess and they admit as much.. .
no king of the north?
no fufillment of prophecy, no armageddon.. how can they continue to preach "the end is near" ?
I asked a Witness relative the question "who is the King of the North" about six months ago. After a couple of weeks he came back to me with the answer "we do not know who the King of the North is at the moment", and gave me the 'Daniel's Prophecy' book. Wouldn't God's true earthly organisation know?
I think this creates a huge problem for the Watchtower society. The WTS equates Daniel 11:44,45 and the destruction of the King of the North with Armageddon. To quote from page 285 of the 'Daniel's Prophecy' book 'In fact, at the battle of Armageddon, all earthly kings are to be removed by God's Kingdom, and this evidently is what happens to the king of the north.'
Page 284 of the same book says that the 'king of the north' in Daniel 11:44-45 has 'yet to rise'. So the Watchtower society is saying that until a new 'King of the North' appears then Armageddon can't happen. And we all know how the WTS hates anything that lessens the urgency of how near the end is. I think they are going to have to pick a new 'king of the north' soon, and my two best guesses would be China or Islam, with China as favourite.
We'll see.
CF.
the russian army is a complete mess and they admit as much.. .
no king of the north?
no fufillment of prophecy, no armageddon.. how can they continue to preach "the end is near" ?
You only have to read Daniel chapter 11 and compare it to the history of the Seleucid Empire to realise that the King of the North ended with Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 164BCE.
Trying to find a modern fullfillment to this chapter is a waste of time. It isn't Russia and it isn't Islam, it's an Empire that collapsed over 2000 years ago.
what is the worst song you've ever heard?
you know, the song that grated on your nerves and made you want to scream if you ever heard it again?
if it's a kingdom song please tell and please tell us what popular song you detested.
What about this classic by Black Lace:
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple shake the tree
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple grind coffee
To the left to the right jump up and down and to the knees
Come and dance every night sing with a hula melody
I met a hula mistress somewhere in Waikiki
Where she was selling pineapple playing ukulele
And when I went to the girl come on and teach me to sway
She laughed and whispered to me yes come tonight to the bay
The lovely beach and the sky
The moon of Hawaii
The rum calypso sarong
We'll all be singing this song
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple shake the tree
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple grind coffee
To the left to the right jump up and down and to the knees
Come and dance every night sing with a hula melody
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple shake the tree
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple grind coffee
To the left to the right jump up and down and to the knees
Come and dance every night sing with a hula melody
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple shake the tree
Agadoo doo doo push pineapple grind coffee
To the left to the right jump up and down and to the knees
Come and dance every night sing with a hula melody
And on.....
